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krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2024-12-30 11:17 p.m.
# CR-0052-24 [State of Mayflower v. supruuh](https://trello.com/c/vCoy2qJk/405-state-of-mayflower-v-supruuh)
CASE INFORMATION**

IN THE MAYFLOWER DISTRICT COURT FOR CLARK COUNTY

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CR-0052-24 State of Mayflower v. supruuh

Trial Type: Criminal - Felony

Judge Assigned:

Complaint Attached: Yes

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UPCOMING COURT DATES



PAST COURT EVENTS



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State Prosecutor -- DeverusLazvari
Defen...
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krabz pinned a message to this channel.2025-06-21 08:41 p.m.
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2024-12-30 11:17 p.m.
@Deverus has been added
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2024-12-30 11:18 p.m.
@vinc
Deverus
Deverus 2024-12-30 11:18 p.m.
quicker than im used to.
vinc
vinc 2024-12-31 06:23 a.m.
MAYFLOWER DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT FOR CLARK COUNTY State of Mayflower Prosecutor, -against- Template Defendant. Case No. CR-00XX-24 Summons Presiding Judge: Hon. Name Summons directed to: YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED to appear before the District Court of Clark County to answer fo...
vinc
vinc 2024-12-31 06:32 a.m.
PC has been found Count 1 - 1 M.S.C. § 2102 Second-degree Murder
Deverus
Deverus 2024-12-31 03:24 p.m.
will draft summons later this evening
Deverus
Deverus 2024-12-31 07:55 p.m.
Deverus
Deverus 2024-12-31 07:55 p.m.
@vinc
vinc
vinc 2025-01-01 07:27 a.m.
date typo on the second page but
vinc
vinc 2025-01-01 07:27 a.m.
not really that important
vinc
vinc 2025-01-01 07:27 a.m.
summons has been delivered
vinc
vinc 2025-01-01 07:28 a.m.
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 12:09 p.m.
@daniel
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 12:09 p.m.
with @vloqsouls NOA filed (pending clerk addition to trello)
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 12:10 p.m.
should be added now, confirm that you can speak here
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 12:10 p.m.
Yo yo yo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 12:10 p.m.
Is the defendant added to the channel or no
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 12:10 p.m.
cuz we'd like to waive summons
daniel
daniel 2025-01-02 12:12 p.m.
oh yea im here now
daniel
daniel 2025-01-02 12:13 p.m.
yeah i wave my summons and i have @vloqsouls as my attorney
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 12:16 p.m.
we'd also like to schedule a probable cause hearing for this case as well @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:41 p.m.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:41 p.m.
cc: @vinc @krabz
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:47 p.m.
thanks for the cc to opposing counsel btw
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:47 p.m.
nevertheless that’s a pre-trial motion
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:47 p.m.
we’re not in pre trial lol
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:48 p.m.
yea we haven't begun pre-trial
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Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:51 p.m.
vincvinc
yea we haven't begun pre-trial
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:51 p.m.
incorrect
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:52 p.m.
would you please add my solicitor Mr.judge @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:52 p.m.
Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(2)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:52 p.m.
"A pretrial period in all criminal matters shall commence upon the arrival of the Defendant’s counsel, whether they proceed pro se, attain private counsel or if the trial proceeds in absentia, the pretrial period should start upon the arrival of the Defendant’s Public Defender."
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:52 p.m.
yeah
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:52 p.m.
ok
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:53 p.m.
@walter!
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:53 p.m.
deputy solicitor general notsfeelings for the state your honor
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:53 p.m.
thank you
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:53 p.m.
the filing of the motion is untimely when the defendant has not yet been arraigned
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:54 p.m.
ought to be rejected, or tolled, until such time as the procedural hurdles have been cleared
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
"A pretrial period in all criminal matters shall commence upon the arrival of the Defendant’s counsel, whether they proceed pro se, attain private counsel or if the trial proceeds ...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:54 p.m.
.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
in any case, i need to get back to work. I shall be unavailable until 9pm eastern. thank you gentlemen.
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
our argument has nothing to do with the rules
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
and everything to do with the common law surrounding the matter
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
you're arguing a procedural defficiency
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
that in fact does have something to do with the rules
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:55 p.m.
the first appearance of the defendant has traditionally been, in every state and common law jurisdiction, to arraign them
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:56 p.m.
i am not interested in brawling with opposing counsel over well-settled matters of common law
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:56 p.m.
then lets get to arraigning
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:56 p.m.
will the court proceed to arraignment and then we can get to the matter of the motions the defense wishes to submit? @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:57 p.m.
(it's already submitted pursuant to Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(2) but alr)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:57 p.m.
the defence does not object to arraignment however
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:57 p.m.
let's begin arraignment then
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:58 p.m.
let me make sure the defendant is awake via my banana phone
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:58 p.m.
:🍌:
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 01:58 p.m.
deverus will be handling the arraignment matters
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:59 p.m.
oh well deverus is gone until 9pm est
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 01:59 p.m.
@vinc in that case we'd like to postpone until he returns from the grueling 9-5 capitalist job
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 01:59 p.m.
god bless our working class
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 02:00 p.m.
we can postpone, that's fine
daniel
daniel 2025-01-02 02:03 p.m.
chat the defendant is not staying awake until 6am
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 02:03 p.m.
bruh
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 02:11 p.m.
what is this man's timezone
vincvinc
what is this man's timezone
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 02:13 p.m.
@daniel
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 02:14 p.m.
we all have the same question
walter!
walter! 2025-01-02 02:14 p.m.
the middle east bro
daniel
daniel 2025-01-02 02:17 p.m.
i am in dubai
daniel
daniel 2025-01-02 02:17 p.m.
gulf standard time(edited)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 02:21 p.m.
can we do it asynchronous then
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:06 p.m.
for tha record the MTD is now amended
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:07 p.m.
cc: my kingz @vinc @krabz and my non kingz @walter! @Deverus(edited)
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 03:07 p.m.
yea we can do async
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 03:07 p.m.
@walter! @Deverus (tagging for above since edited messages doesnt update pings)
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 03:08 p.m.
-taps sign-
vinc
vinc 2025-01-02 03:08 p.m.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:35 p.m.
@vinc actually we'd like for a probable cause hearing to be staged because we have an amazing AOPC
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:35 p.m.
(sarcasm)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:36 p.m.
the defense has some issues after playing where's waldo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:43 p.m.
with the facts*
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
@vinc actually we'd like for a probable cause hearing to be staged because we have an amazing AOPC
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:46 p.m.
preferrably over discord cuz of timezone diffs
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-02 03:57 p.m.
and considering the fact that we are procedurally in pre trial we'd like the motion to be heard
vinc
vinc 2025-01-03 03:20 p.m.
sure
vinc
vinc 2025-01-03 03:20 p.m.
make your case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 03:46 p.m.
I'll deliver a statement in a bit I'm currently taking a fat dump
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 03:56 p.m.
Thanks your highness, and may it please the court.

The AOPC submitted by the state contains unnecessary speculations and conclusory language that do not form a substantial basis for the factual allegations listed within the CI. Before we deconstruct the AOPC submitted by the state, we must establish a legal basis for our analysis. Thankfully, we can turn to Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983) for our answer (holding an affidavit "must provide the magistrate with a substantial basis for determining the existence of probable cause" and that "wholly conclusory" statements about the officer's beliefs are insufficient). Plain and simple, probable cause determinations must be based on a substantial factual basis rather than mere conjecture or speculation.

Now that we have established our legal basis, we can now turn to the contents of the AOPC. The AOPC contains many "assumptions," as stated by the investigator. For example, it states ad verbatim "we can also assume that the defendant had little judgment in carrying out the shooting and failed to properly exercise the Castle Act's right to use deadly force." Id. at ¶4c (emphasis added). In addition, it also states "The defendant, with the reasonable assumption that he had a correct judgment to determine whether lethal force could be deployed in the current situation." Id. at ¶5c (emphasis added).

We continue with speculations and legal conclusions; "[T]he defendant can be seen brandishing his firearm and discharging his weapon until the victim is rag-dolled and assumed dead within the Lander City limit." Id. at ¶5a (emphasis added); "It can be confirmed, without a reasonable doubt that it is in fact the defendant who brandishes his firearm." Id. at ¶6c; "[I]t can be confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had no justifiable reason to discharge his firearm within the municipality of Lander." Id. at ¶6d.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 03:57 p.m.
I can go on and on your highness, but I believe that the point has been made clear. Speculations and conclusory statements are obviously not sufficient factual material, and are extremely prejudicial to the defendant. The AOPC in its current form relies on conclusions and speculations that are not grounded in fact, which is highly dangerous to the judicial integrity of our state and this case.

We humbly request that we proceed further with a probable cause hearing to determine the objective facts of this matter, not opinions and legal conclusions.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 03:57 p.m.
cc: @vinc @Deverus @walter!
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 04:06 p.m.
With that we also retract the MTD because I was being retarded and just yapping.
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
With that we also retract the MTD because I was being retarded and just yapping.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-03 04:10 p.m.
Excuse me not retarded, mentally slow. Gotta watch my potty mouth..
vinc
vinc 2025-01-03 04:14 p.m.
Thank you for the correction please avoid using derogatory terms in the future
vinc
vinc 2025-01-03 04:14 p.m.
at least in this chamber
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-03 06:08 p.m.
good morning
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
@vinc in that case we'd like to postpone until he returns from the grueling 9-5 capitalist job
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-03 06:08 p.m.
let the record show that my job is, in fact, not a 9-5 capitalist job
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-03 06:08 p.m.
i am, in fact, a drug dealer.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-03 06:08 p.m.
albeit licensed by the state of texas
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vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-04 11:16 p.m.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-04 11:16 p.m.
bleh
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-06 11:39 a.m.
your honor, when can we get the lad’s probable cause hearing and arraignment done so we can clear the procedural hurdles to hear this motion to dismiss and i can be bothered to write a response to it @vinc
vinc
vinc 2025-01-06 11:48 a.m.
i was out yesterday (american football sunday)

i will get back later today, i'm snowed in.
vinc
vinc 2025-01-06 11:49 a.m.
we can do this async
vinc
vinc 2025-01-06 11:49 a.m.
winter storm has hit the mid atlantic so i am basically stuck inside for a minute
vinc
vinc 2025-01-06 05:45 p.m.
never mind guys i am home
vincvinc
we can do this async
vinc
vinc 2025-01-07 07:53 a.m.
I'm going to do it on Discord, probable cause hearing begins as of January 7, 2025 at 7:52 a.m.

Please make your statements @vloqsouls @Deverus so we can get this over with
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
Thanks your highness, and may it please the court. The AOPC submitted by the state contains unnecessary speculations and conclusory language that do not form a substantial basis f...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-07 07:58 a.m.
Tbh I kinda yapped up a storm here
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-07 07:58 a.m.
But it's 8am rn so I'm probably gonna change my mind
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-07 07:58 a.m.
If the state wants to make a statement they can tho
vinc
vinc 2025-01-07 04:35 p.m.
ideally i'd like to get this done by the 12th (end of the 10-day pre-trial period)
vinc
vinc 2025-01-07 04:35 p.m.
there is no reason why this hearing should take longer than 2 days (unless my irl schedule conflicts / requires attention)(edited)
vincvinc
I'm going to do it on Discord, probable cause hearing begins as of January 7, 2025 at 7:52 a.m. Please make your statements @vloqsouls @Deverus so we can get this ove...
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-07 09:16 p.m.
your honour.

i'd first like to address the issues presented by the defense counsel.

the flaws in the affidavit, while few, have been recognized. as of this time, i have directed a supervisory investigator to develop a superseding affidavit, which will be accompanied by a superseding indictment. at that time we will motion for the extension of the pre-trial period by 10 days to prevent prejudice to the defendant and allow for the defense counsel to review the superseding affidavit and indictment and prepare their defense.

nevertheless;

the present indictment charges the defendant with one count; second-degree murder, the statute of which requires any individual being convicted of this crime being proven to, beyond a reasonable doubt, having (a) killed someone intentionally, and (b) having done so with the intent to kill or commit great bodily harm.

in examining whether probable cause exists in this case, we turn to the affidavit of probable cause, namely, exhibit a contained therein. in exhibit a, which is video evidence taken by the victim, just_dapper, we can identify that the defendant, identified by his username at 00:17, is holding a sign reading "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN AND KILLED."

the defendant, when the victim jumped across a small fence into the parking lot of clark county regional hospital, brandished a handgun and discharged it multiple times in the direction of the victim, striking him multiple times and killing him. even after the victim had been killed, defendant continued to discharge his handgun until the victim's lifeless corpse had fallen onto the ground.

addressing the elements of proof as required in second-degree murder, we turn first to the matter of whether or not the defendant intentionally killed the victim. as we can observe in exhibit a, the defendant brandished his firearm in a deliberate fashion and discharged it directly at the victim, not accidentally striking any of the other potential bystanders he very well could have. while showcasing the defendant's competent aim, it also showcases that he had one apparent target: the victim. this is only further substantiated when the defendant holstered his firearm after the victim's dead body fell to the ground.

now we turn to the second element: whether or not the defendant had the intent to kill or commit great bodily injury when he discharged his firearm at the victim. in this regard, we turn to the sign the defendant was holding, which clearly stated that anyone which the defendant determined to be a trespasser would be shot, and those who survived the defendant's first salvo would be shot again and surely killed. needless to say, it is clear that the defendant, even before the actions which took place, demonstrated a clear intent to kill or cause bodily injury to anyone who he deemed a trespasser, and in this case, that supposed trespasser is the victim, just_dapper.

probable cause is no new topic, and “[exists] where the facts and circumstances...are sufficient in themselves to warrant a belief by a man of reasonable caution that a crime is being committed.” Brinegar v. United States, 338 U.S. 160, 161 (1949)

the state strongly asserts that the facts, as laid out above, would warrant any man of reasonable caution to believe that the defendant killed the victim both intentionally, and with the intent to kill or cause great bodily injury.

thank you.

cc: @vinc @vloqsouls
vinc
vinc 2025-01-07 10:35 p.m.
ok @vloqsouls your turn
vinc
vinc 2025-01-07 10:35 p.m.
if you have anything else
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-09 10:01 a.m.
Hi I'll make a response sooner or later
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-09 10:01 a.m.
Just busy with school work
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:30 a.m.
Thanks Judge, and may it please the court.

An affidavit of probable cause is meant to serve as the factual basis to the alleged offence listed within the CI. The flaws within the affidavit as outlined by the defense are significant enough to detract from the probative value of the factual account of the officer and by extension their determination of probable cause. It is clear that the affidavit is highly conclusory, speculative and prejudicial, and therefore must be struck as evidence.

The defense strongly opposes the states request to extend the pretrial period for another TEN DAYS to fix factual deficiencies in their AOPC. The state should have considered the factual errors in the investigators sworn testimony prior to filing charges against the defendant—even still, the superseding indictment and affidavit wouldn't clarify the glaring errors presented by the defense. The defense fears that granting a superseding affidavit and information would violate the defendants Sixth Amendment right to know the charges being brought forth against him, only serving to muddying the waters. The state should have spotted these errors in advance, not in the middle of pretrial proceedings.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:30 a.m.
We now turn to the legal arguments. The state alleges that securing a conviction merely requires "intent to kill" as per 1 M.S.C. § 2102. This is simply not true. This court has considered on prior occassions the inherent presence of malice aforethought in second degree murder. See State of Mayflower v. ISpilledMyTacos, 1 Mf. ___ (2024) (holding malice aforethought to be "necessary mens rea" for second degree murder in accordance with 1 M.S.C. § 2102). The affidavit concedes that the defendant acted without malice, stating that he acted under the belief that he was exercising lethal force lawfully within the confines of the Castle Doctrine Act. Malice is not inherently satisfied by having an intent to kill or cause great bodily harm alone. See United States v. Serawop, 410 F.3d 656, 664 (10th Cir. 2005) (“Malice is not satisfied simply by killing with an intentional or reckless mental state; instead, malice specifically requires committing the wrongful act without justification, excuse, or mitigation”).
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:30 a.m.
Furthermore, the states argument runs contrary to the principle of Hume's Law—that the creation of a normative purely from a positive is logically improbable by asserting a claim based solely on a fact.

The mere fact that the defendant killed Just_Dapper does not satisfy the requisite of malice aforethought—the affidavit concedes this premise by admitting he acted under a reasonable belief he was acting with justification in accordance with section e of the Castle Doctrine Act. Thus, the defendant, by being admonished of all allegations regarding malice, cannot reasonably be convicted of Second Degree Murder, therefore probable cause cannot be sufficiently established.

We ask the court to dismiss this case.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:31 a.m.
cc: @Deverus @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:35 a.m.
tldr you can't establish probable cause for SDM without alleging that malice was present because SDM has an inherent malice aforethought requirement blah blah blah
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:45 a.m.
also food for thought if the states principle of requiring only an intent to kill to prove SDM w/o malicious aforethought were applied then that would implicate anyone shooting burglars in their homes in self defense running directly contrary to the principles of common law Castle Doctrine and our Castle Doctrine Act(edited)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-11 09:45 a.m.
and also render the separate charge of voluntary manslaughter absolutely useless
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 07:38 p.m.
erm your honour just to let you know pretrial is officially over so we'd prefer to have a decision on both the PC hearing and MTD @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 07:38 p.m.
preferably ASAP but it's exams so idrc
vinc
vinc 2025-01-12 07:38 p.m.
ah NUTS!!!!!
vinc
vinc 2025-01-12 07:38 p.m.
ok i will do it soon
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:11 p.m.
for the record, your honour, i'm not quite sure how the defense counsel expects to end pre-trial when probable cause still has not been determined, and his client has neither appeared nor been arraigned- and they have not waived such. @vinc
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:11 p.m.
these are the exact procedural steps the state has asked the court to be followed a multitude of times when this case was getting started.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:14 p.m.
it has been the common procedure of this court to not begin pre-trial before the defendant has been properly arraigned, as to avoid instances such as this, where the defense counsel has caused such chaos and confusion in the court as to allow for the pre-trial period to conclude without the defendant so much as having appeared- or having been arraigned.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:18 p.m.
the state thereby petitions for the court to, as is proper and common-sense procedure, to make a determination on probable cause, have the defendant appear and arraigned- unless of course the defense waives that, and then move forward with pre-trial and hearing the defense counsel's motion to dismiss, providing the state with the procedural 48 hour timeline to respond.
DeverusDeverus
for the record, your honour, i'm not quite sure how the defense counsel expects to end pre-trial when probable cause still has not been determined, and his client has neither appea...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:18 p.m.
pretrial begins following the appointment of defense counsel and lasts for 10 days
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:18 p.m.
we have reached the 10 day limit
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
pretrial begins following the appointment of defense counsel and lasts for 10 days
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:19 p.m.
indeed so, yet the court, and you, have ignored quite frankly the first step in any criminal proceeding- the arraignment.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:19 p.m.
your client has not so much as appeared.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:19 p.m.
he has
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:19 p.m.
but he's in gulf standard time
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:19 p.m.
so obviously we cannot do arraignment synchronously
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:20 p.m.
he's not going to be staying up until 6am
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:20 p.m.
then by all means, waive arraignment and enter a plea of not-guilty, that is well within your ability, but the fact stands that arraignment is the first and foundational step in any criminal trial.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:20 p.m.
and has, in all other cases, been the pre-requisite to pre-trial.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:21 p.m.
but you are insistent on arraignment though and want it done
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:21 p.m.
so we've been simply waiting for the judge and you to begin reading the charges
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:21 p.m.
which unfortunately you haven't throughout the entire 10 days
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:22 p.m.
we have never been insistent on a synchronous, or asynchronous, arraignment. we have been insistent that the court follow common procedure as to not allow for such confusion as this to occur.

if you waived arraignment and entered an automatic plea of not-guilty, as is your right, then we would have no issue.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:22 p.m.
but you did not, pointed to the sign that pre-trial starts at appearance, and insisted that the court hear your motion.
DeverusDeverus
your honor, when can we get the lad’s probable cause hearing and arraignment done so we can clear the procedural hurdles to hear this motion to dismiss and i can be bothered to wri...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:22 p.m.
so we are lying on the court record
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:23 p.m.
so then, one instance of me asking for your client to be arraigned is me being insistent?
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:23 p.m.
as i just said, we have been insistent only on the matter that the court need to follow the common delineated procedure.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:23 p.m.
otherwise, this happens.
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:23 p.m.
i would have had zero issue if the arraignment was waived and a not-guilty plea was entered automatically;
vincvinc
we can do this async
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:23 p.m.
well its been made clear that we can do both the pc hearing and arraignmetn async
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:24 p.m.
that would, after all, clear the procedural requirement.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:24 p.m.
arraignment*
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:24 p.m.
its on the court to read the charges
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-12 08:26 p.m.
then that would be the defect of the court for not adhering to that. nevertheless, the state insists that the fundamental procedural requirements to move this case forward have, from the get-go, not been followed.
DeverusDeverus
then that would be the defect of the court for not adhering to that. nevertheless, the state insists that the fundamental procedural requirements to move this case forward have, fr...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:28 p.m.
fundamental procedural requirements such as what
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:28 p.m.
no decision has been made on PC hearing or the MTD or anything for that matter
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:29 p.m.
by all means the court still has the ability to read out the charges and arraign the defendant async—at the discretion of the judge
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:30 p.m.
either way we object to a 10 day extension of pretrial due to prejudicial concerns
danieldaniel
chat the defendant is not staying awake until 6am
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:32 p.m.
for the record the defendant has appeared and clearly stated timezone issues which make it extremely difficult to do arraignment synchronously
DeverusDeverus
the state thereby petitions for the court to, as is proper and common-sense procedure, to make a determination on probable cause, have the defendant appear and arraigned- unless of...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:39 p.m.
the defense agrees with all except the last request. this would go contrary to Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(9): "A party may only respond once to a pretrial motion if they wish to respond at all. That response must be filed within forty-eight (48) hours of the motion being made."

considering that pretrial started on the 2nd with the MTD being filed the same day and it is now the 12th—the defense does not need to further elaborate because that forty eight hour period to respond to the MTD has passed a while ago.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-12 08:40 p.m.
@vinc TLDR just speedrun arraignment and we can get stuff done since the state is malding; i can wake up the defendant to submit his plea whenever
vinc
vinc 2025-01-13 07:52 p.m.
Ok. Arraignment will begin asynchronously due to the difference in timezones.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 12:36 p.m.
Who's reading charges??
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 12:43 p.m.
i got it
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 12:53 p.m.
ill let the defendant know to plead once u do
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 12:57 p.m.
## Arraignment

VENUE: state-of-mayflower-v-supruuh
DEADLINE OF DISCUSSION: Thursday, January 16, 2025 at 12:43 p.m.

The Defendant is charged with one count of 1 MSC § 2102 - SECOND DEGREE MURDER, which leads up to a sentence time of up to 35 minutes if convicted.

As a reminder, your constitutional rights are as follows:
1. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say here can and will be used against you.
2. You have the right to be informed of the charges against you, of which was stated above.
3. You have the right to confront and cross-examine any witnesses who testify against you in this case.
4. You have the right to present evidence in your defense and to call witnesses on your behalf.
5. You have the right to not testify in your own case, without such being held or used against you.
6. You have the right to an attorney during proceedings (of which you already have one obtained.)

With that out of the way, @daniel, please answer the following:

1. Do you understand the constitutional rights listed above?
2. Do you understand the nature of the charge levied against you?
3. Are you aware of the sentence of up to 35 minutes of incarceration if you're convicted?
4. How do you plead to Count One, 1 MSC § 2102 - SECOND DEGREE MURDER?

Please respond in a timely manner. No further matters will be considered at this time.
daniel
daniel 2025-01-14 01:19 p.m.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Not Guilty
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 01:24 p.m.
awesome
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 01:55 p.m.
ok now we can get everything else sorted ig
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 01:56 p.m.
when can we expect a ruling on PC and the MTD
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 02:07 p.m.
cuz pretrial is lowkey over
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 02:23 p.m.
soon
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 02:24 p.m.
I won't be taking 2 months for the ruling I just got a lot of stuff on my plate right now sadly
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 02:25 p.m.
same I'm not in a rush either
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-14 02:25 p.m.
just don't Arthur_Chen us pls
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 02:26 p.m.
I won't
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daniel
daniel 2025-01-14 03:25 p.m.
Hey I heard that guy was chill.
vinc
vinc 2025-01-14 03:28 p.m.
He's cool man
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:34 p.m.
your honor it appears that the counsel on record has uh resigned from the DOJ @vinc
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:34 p.m.
as of January 15th
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:35 p.m.
im not sure if the DOJ is willing to continue this but ye deverus is gone
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:35 p.m.
i only just found out now
vloqsouls
vloqsouls Server2025-01-17 03:36 p.m.
vinc
vinc 2025-01-17 03:47 p.m.
sadly
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:48 p.m.
A moment of silence for yet another DOJ resignation
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-17 03:49 p.m.
Corporal Matthew Creek of the Royal Military College Band plays The Last Post at the Australian War Memorial, Canberra. The Last Post is one of a number of bugle calls in military tradition that mark the phases of the day. In military tradition, the Last Post is the bugle call that signifies the end of the day's activities. It is also sounded at...
Deverus
Deverus 2025-01-17 04:08 p.m.
@JaroCycle
krabzatonin ᴏᴍkrabzatonin ᴏᴍ used
/add
clerkFlow
clerkFlow Bot2025-01-20 01:45 a.m.
Case Modified
@krabz has added @JaroCycle to the case channel.
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2025-01-20 01:45 a.m.
@JaroCycle has filed a NoA and hasbeen added
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2025-01-20 01:45 a.m.
i like the signature
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ
krabzatonin ᴏᴍ 2025-01-20 01:45 a.m.
but for your convenience next time you can just do /s/ JaroCycle
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-20 02:00 a.m.
Alright
krabzatonin ᴏᴍkrabzatonin ᴏᴍ
i like the signature
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-20 03:49 a.m.
Mouse signing :😩:
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-20 03:51 a.m.
Since I am here already, @vinc Your Honor when will you rule on the pc?
krabzatonin ᴏᴍkrabzatonin ᴏᴍ
i like the signature
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-20 09:16 a.m.
literal hieroglyphs
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
literal hieroglyphs
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-20 09:37 a.m.
you should see any other polish writitng
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-20 09:37 a.m.
Especially in medicine lol
daniel
daniel 2025-01-20 10:21 a.m.
my 1 year old cousin can write better with a mouse
JaroCycleJaroCycle
Especially in medicine lol
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-20 12:28 p.m.
well at least it doesn't compare to Russian cursive
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-20 12:29 p.m.
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
well at least it doesn't compare to Russian cursive
daniel
daniel 2025-01-21 11:45 a.m.
I can actually write in russian cursive and its not usually THAT bad
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-21 01:33 p.m.
@vinc Your Honor, respectfully but it's been more than a week,
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-21 01:33 p.m.
Can we get a rulling on PC
vinc
vinc 2025-01-22 02:16 p.m.
I will be leaving the bench
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
bruh
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
That's
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
Sad
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
@krabz reassign or
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
idk tbh
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
@JaroCycle dms
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
It's getting
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:18 p.m.
reassigned
vinc
vinc 2025-01-22 02:19 p.m.
sorry i had like no time to write the ruling
vinc
vinc 2025-01-22 02:19 p.m.
classes started last week
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:19 p.m.
it's fine,
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:19 p.m.
respectfully sourced but like
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:19 p.m.
yes
vinc
vinc 2025-01-22 02:20 p.m.
Me when I troll
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:21 p.m.
shah
shah 2025-01-22 02:22 p.m.
Judge @Richo
shahshah
Judge @Richo
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:24 p.m.
he is on LOA
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:24 p.m.
like what
shah
shah 2025-01-22 02:24 p.m.
he off
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 02:24 p.m.
am back
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 02:24 p.m.
hi
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 02:25 p.m.
was just for a while
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:25 p.m.
o
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:25 p.m.
great
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:32 p.m.
oh my goodness were going to get stalled for 3 weeks
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:32 p.m.
hi judge @Richo
shahshah used
/add
clerkFlow
clerkFlow Bot2025-01-22 02:32 p.m.
Case Modified
@shah has added @Arthur to the case channel.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:33 p.m.
@Arthur hi
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 02:34 p.m.
Hello @vloqsouls
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 02:34 p.m.
Please inform the court what stage we're at.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:35 p.m.
we are awaiting on a ruling for PC and a MTD
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:36 p.m.
pretrial ended on the 12th
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:36 p.m.
limbo state basically
ArthurArthur
Please inform the court what stage we're at.
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 02:44 p.m.
Has the state replied to this MTD? @JaroCycle
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:46 p.m.
yes, respond is way back
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
pretrial ended on the 12th
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:47 p.m.
we technically
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:47 p.m.
still in pretrial
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 02:47 p.m.
cause of the missing rullings
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 02:49 p.m.
I am extending the pre-trial period to allow for judicial considerations of the pending motions.
JaroCycleJaroCycle
yes, respond is way back
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:58 p.m.
no it hasn't wtf
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:59 p.m.
the previous prosecutor declined to respond because it was "not worth his time" @Arthur
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 02:59 p.m.
and the 48 hour period provided to respond to MTDs passed over a week ago
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:00 p.m.
per Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(9)
DeverusDeverus
your honor, when can we get the lad’s probable cause hearing and arraignment done so we can clear the procedural hurdles to hear this motion to dismiss and i can be bothered to wri...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:01 p.m.
correction he wasn't "bothered to write a response to it"
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:01 p.m.
(?)
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
well
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
we havent
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
established PC
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
meaning we cannot move onto MTD
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
without that being handled first
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
once a rulling on PC is done
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
then the response to MTD will be issued, cause thats' when its supposed to be handled
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:03 p.m.
not prior
JaroCycleJaroCycle
then the response to MTD will be issued, cause thats' when its supposed to be handled
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:04 p.m.
the entire case is asynchronous due to timezone differences
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:05 p.m.
and the state couldve filed a response to an MTD during the PC hearing
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:05 p.m.
judicial procedure is not linear and can be shifted around accordingly
JaroCycleJaroCycle
without that being handled first
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
i didn't say rule on the MTD rn im just saying the state didn't bother to write a response to it
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
respectfully counselor, but timezone diffrences have nothing to do it, and i would respectfully ask you to let the new judge
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
review everything
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
before throwing stuff in here
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
that won't do anything other than expend the waiting time
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:07 p.m.
once PC is handled we can go to mtd
vincvinc
PC has been found Count 1 - 1 M.S.C. § 2102 Second-degree Murder
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 03:08 p.m.
PC was established here
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
it was reviewed
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
I am just continuing the case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
during a pc hearing
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
which he heard and ate up basically all of pretrial
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
thats what we've been waiting on
RichoRicho
I am extending the pre-trial period to allow for judicial considerations of the pending motions.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-22 03:09 p.m.
e
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:10 p.m.
ik im saying we were waiting on the redetermination of PC based on the deficiencies raised
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:10 p.m.
by the defense
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:10 p.m.
because the state has a god awful AOPC
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
Thanks Judge, and may it please the court. An affidavit of probable cause is meant to serve as the factual basis to the alleged offence listed within the CI. The flaws within the ...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:11 p.m.
see here
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:11 p.m.
unless you are saying that PC has been established once again which is shocking to me personally
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:11 p.m.
because of how conclusory and speculative the AOPC is
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:11 p.m.
but i digress
RichoRicho
PC was established here
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:20 p.m.
Alright,
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:20 p.m.
Then for the reason that there was a chance of counsel,
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:20 p.m.
The state will deliver response to MTD
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-22 03:20 p.m.
Within 24h
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:21 p.m.
??
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:22 p.m.
that was before the PC hearing which the previous judge heard arguments on..
vincvinc
I'm going to do it on Discord, probable cause hearing begins as of January 7, 2025 at 7:52 a.m. Please make your statements @vloqsouls @Deverus so we can get this ove...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:23 p.m.
see here
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:25 p.m.
we are simply waiting on a determination based off of the deficiencies presented
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:27 p.m.
arguments not deficiencies
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 03:27 p.m.
*
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 06:25 p.m.
Hello. @vloqsouls
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 06:26 p.m.
Just a question. . . Why do you contest PC if PC has been found? @vloqsouls
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 06:28 p.m.
Hm
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 06:29 p.m.
Nevermind.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 06:58 p.m.
im in a not reading competition and my opponent is a district court clerk
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-22 06:58 p.m.
challenge
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
im in a not reading competition and my opponent is a district court clerk
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 06:59 p.m.
Excuse me?
Arthur
Arthur 2025-01-22 07:01 p.m.
Do not.
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 08:38 a.m.
@Richo Your Honor, just to clarify PC is established?
JaroCycleJaroCycle
@Richo Your Honor, just to clarify PC is established?
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 08:39 a.m.
It is based on the previous judge
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 08:43 a.m.
Alright
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 09:01 a.m.
I will be resetting it pursuant to Rule 8(i) of the Mayfl. R. Jud. Admin., which allows a successor judge to reconsider prior rulings and manage the case effectively.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 09:01 a.m.
Please resubmit all motions in a timely order. @JaroCycle @vloqsouls
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 09:01 a.m.
However, I am still finding probable cause. The Defense is free to submit a motion to dismiss, but not on the basis of the procedural finding of probable cause.
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 09:32 a.m.
Very well
RichoRicho
However, I am still finding probable cause. The Defense is free to submit a motion to dismiss, but not on the basis of the procedural finding of probable cause.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:04 a.m.
Not what we submitted the MTD on but alr
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:05 a.m.
Pov I'm in a not reading competition and I'm in RichoCornwall's chambers:
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:06 a.m.
The Defense will resubmit the MTD that we already filed which the state has yet to respond to after 10+ days @Richo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:06 a.m.
(which arguably should be granted because of failure to oppose but yk)
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
The Defense will resubmit the MTD that we already filed which the state has yet to respond to after 10+ days @Richo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:08 a.m.
CASE INFORMATION**

IN THE MAYFLOWER DISTRICT COURT FOR CLARK COUNTY

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CR-0052-24 State of Mayflower v. supruuh

Trial Type: Criminal - Felony

Judge Assigned:

Complaint Attached: Yes

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UPCOMING COURT DATES



PAST COURT EVENTS



PARTIES**

```
State Prosecutor -- DeverusLazvari, nots...
Labels
Criminal, Felony
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:10 a.m.
The document in question is titled "CR-0052-24 Defendant - Motion to Dismiss (Locked In version)".pdf. Thank you.
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
(which arguably should be granted because of failure to oppose but yk)
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:19 a.m.
You are honestly dumb, to think that if a motion is not opposed it is auto granted, judge makes a rulling on it, if it makes sense and believes it to be sensible he will side with it.

Also, please stop with the reading competition and try to be respectful counsel, to everyone, per the chamber rules of Hon. Richo.


State will deliver the response either in the next 5 hours or by tomorrow morning, depends on when I get home from lectures
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
Pov I'm in a not reading competition and I'm in RichoCornwall's chambers:
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:23 a.m.
Your snarky remarks are not appreciated in this Court. Quick reminder, I was assigned to this case 6 hours ago and I am not a mind-reader. Do not continue this behaviour.
JaroCycleJaroCycle
You are honestly dumb, to think that if a motion is not opposed it is auto granted, judge makes a rulling on it, if it makes sense and believes it to be sensible he will side with ...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:28 a.m.
Well the state failed to oppose it after 10 days
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:28 a.m.
And the rules allow for a maximum of 48 hours after the initial filing
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:29 a.m.
Per Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(9)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:29 a.m.
So if anything I was being super generous to not bring it up sooner until after pretrial
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:32 a.m.
Initially ended*
RichoRicho
I will be resetting it pursuant to Rule 8(i) of the Mayfl. R. Jud. Admin., which allows a successor judge to reconsider prior rulings and manage the case effectively.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:35 a.m.
Noted for appeal.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:39 a.m.
I am not persuaded that a "delay of 10 days" is sufficient to presumptively prejudice the defendant. Luckily for you the Supreme Court has already verified this. See State of Mayflower v. TrexeoDev, No. 2024-SUP-000008 (2024) @vloqsouls
RichoRicho
I am not persuaded that a "delay of 10 days" is sufficient to presumptively prejudice the defendant. Luckily for you the Supreme Court has already verified this. See *State of Mayf...
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:40 a.m.
?
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:40 a.m.
I'm confused on what exactly you are referring to
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:41 a.m.
Because that isn't the point being made respectfully
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:42 a.m.
The state previously argued procedural deficiencies with arraignment yet we cannot argue procedural deficiencies based on something that weighs a lot more
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:43 a.m.
Then speak critically, not through riddles counselor.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:43 a.m.
I speak perfectly clearly
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:43 a.m.
But alr
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:43 a.m.
I'm confused on what you are referring to when citing TrexeoDev
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:43 a.m.
With regard to what subject
RichoRicho
Then speak critically, not through riddles counselor.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:45 a.m.
I sincerely apologize for not writing like a hoodlum thug. I will make sure to rewrite the MTD in such a manner your honor
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:46 a.m.
And all future motions
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:46 a.m.
I will not entertain arguments about procedural definitions, as the determination of probable cause in this case was made entirely in accordance with proper procedure. However, if you wish to bring it up I will skim it.
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
I'm confused on what exactly you are referring to
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:47 a.m.
You were alluding that you were going to appeal my order due to the fact I reset the case - that may have caused a delay. If this was not your point, then fine.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:49 a.m.
I'm going to appeal your order based on your determination of probable cause purely based on a judges determination prior to a probable cause hearing
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:49 a.m.
That the exact same judge heard
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:49 a.m.
Which he did not make a decision on
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:50 a.m.
Unless you want to determine probable cause based on speculations and conclusions
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:50 a.m.
Then I request that the defenses arguments be heard
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:50 a.m.
And be reviewed in accordance with the standards we outlined in our MTD and PC hearing
RichoRicho
However, I am still finding probable cause. The Defense is free to submit a motion to dismiss, but not on the basis of the procedural finding of probable cause.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:51 a.m.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:51 a.m.
What part of "I am" did you not get?
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:51 a.m.
Also, its very common for judges to continue with the finding of probable cause even upon judicial reassignment. (Even if I didn't)
RichoRicho
Also, its very common for judges to continue with the finding of probable cause even upon judicial reassignment. (Even if I didn't)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:51 a.m.
Not the point I made but alr
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:51 a.m.
Mr. vloqsouls, your arguments are redundant. I've found probable cause. If you would like, submit a motion to dismiss.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
Read the MTD I submitted your honor
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
That has not been considered
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
Absolute travesty(edited)
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
Absolute travesty(edited)
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
Don’t edit messages
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
Don't call me dumb
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:52 a.m.
Or I will push for sanctions
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
:💔:
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
Won’t call you that if you respect everyone in this chamber
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
Including the clerk
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
And speak without doing weird riddles
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
If you have the reading comprehension of a downey then say so
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:53 a.m.
If you two keep fighting like little girls, I'll refer both of you the State Bar. I don't have time for this.
RichoRicho
If you two keep fighting like little girls, I'll refer both of you the State Bar. I don't have time for this.
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:54 a.m.
Apologizes,
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:54 a.m.
I am currently still in lecture
RichoRicho
If you two keep fighting like little girls, I'll refer both of you the State Bar. I don't have time for this.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:54 a.m.
When can we expect a ruling on the MTD
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-23 10:54 a.m.
Will submit a respond to the mtd when I am home
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:54 a.m.
Sure
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:55 a.m.
When a response is submitted. I've been on this case for 6 hours. Don't rush it.
RichoRicho
When a response is submitted. I've been on this case for 6 hours. Don't rush it.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:55 a.m.
Respectfully we haven't been rushing the case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:55 a.m.
The MTD and PC weren't ruled on for all of pretrial
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:56 a.m.
Under Sourced
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 10:57 a.m.
But I am simply playing by the rules your honor
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:57 a.m.
Okay
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
I'm going to appeal your order based on your determination of probable cause purely based on a judges determination prior to a probable cause hearing
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 10:59 a.m.
The probable cause determination, as an initial step in the criminal justice process, may be made by a judicial officer without an adversary hearing. Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103 (1975)
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:00 a.m.
..except we exercised our right to an adversarial hearing but alr
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 11:03 a.m.
There is no right to an adversary hearing in a probable cause determination.

"Because of its limited function and its nonadversary character, the probable cause determination is not a ‘critical stage’ in the prosecution that would require appointed counsel." Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:04 a.m.
Ok
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:05 a.m.
Anything else
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:05 a.m.
Your honor
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:06 a.m.
None of those address the critical issue that the MTD was not opposed in the aforementioned 48 hour time frame
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:06 a.m.
And based on the language of the local rules it's a must requirement
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:07 a.m.
I understand the state is intent on securing a conviction on trumped up charged
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:07 a.m.
charges
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:07 a.m.
But Allah will save supruuh
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:07 a.m.
And that's on gang
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 11:12 a.m.
I was addressing the matters of the supposed appeal you had, that has now been extinguished.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 11:12 a.m.
I won't comment on the motion to dismiss yet as there is no reply yet.
RichoRicho
I was addressing the matters of the supposed appeal you had, that has now been extinguished.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:13 a.m.
Extinguished?
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:13 a.m.
Your honor you are seeing hallucinations... there's no fire extinguisher or a fire
Richo
Richo 2025-01-23 11:14 a.m.
The riddles have to stop. They're tired.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-23 11:14 a.m.
:👨‍🚒:
JaroCycle
JaroCycle 2025-01-24 11:08 a.m.
CC @Richo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-24 05:57 p.m.
@Richo Reply to Response permitted or nah
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-24 06:01 p.m.
The defense believes the state is confused on what we are actually arguing within our MTD
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-24 06:02 p.m.
But if not I'll stress that the state has failed to address a few critical points made that this Court should consider in its decision
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-24 06:03 p.m.
Thanks
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
@Richo Reply to Response permitted or nah
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-25 12:15 p.m.
Actually I cba
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-25 12:23 p.m.
@Richo My bad for the 2nd ping judge but when can we expect a ruling on the MTD
vloqsouls
vloqsouls Server2025-01-26 10:07 a.m.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-26 10:07 a.m.
Defense would like to notify the Court that ANOTHER prosecutor has resigned the DOJ as of today at 5 AM EST
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-26 10:08 a.m.
@Richo
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-26 10:09 a.m.
@Arthur
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:36 p.m.
@walter! Are you alive watler
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:36 p.m.
walter
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:36 p.m.
ur listed as counsel of record
walter!
walter! 2025-01-27 02:37 p.m.
chat what
walter!
walter! 2025-01-27 02:37 p.m.
i’m not the counsel for this case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:39 p.m.
u are
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:39 p.m.
u filed a NOA on dec 31st
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:39 p.m.
unless u wanna withdraw
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:40 p.m.
deverus resigned and jaro got fired so ur the last person on the state's side
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:40 p.m.
for this case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:43 p.m.
if ur going to withdraw ask the DOJ to put someone on this otherwise i'm just gonna move to dismiss for want of prosecution
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:43 p.m.
but as i understand you are on LOA since the 11th
shah
shah 2025-01-27 02:46 p.m.
@Attorney General's Office
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 02:49 p.m.
or that too
Richo
Richo 2025-01-27 04:22 p.m.
24 hours is the general timeline to submit for NOA, DOJ.
Richo
Richo 2025-01-27 04:22 p.m.
If they don't just submit motion tmrw @vloqsouls
RichoRicho
If they don't just submit motion tmrw @vloqsouls
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 04:30 p.m.
do you want it in writing if thats the case
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 04:31 p.m.
or will paperless suffice
Richo
Richo 2025-01-27 04:31 p.m.
Paperless is fine
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-01-27 04:31 p.m.
alr
daniel
daniel 2025-01-28 11:26 p.m.
@Richo hi your honor my counsel has mysteriously disappeared and i have not had any notice of this whatsoever so i will need some time to either find someone new
Richo
Richo 2025-01-28 11:26 p.m.
its ok im dismisisng @daniel
daniel
daniel 2025-01-28 11:26 p.m.
oh
Richo
Richo 2025-01-28 11:27 p.m.
Dimissed w/o prejudice, full ruling detailed soon

/s/ RichoCornwall
daniel
daniel 2025-01-28 11:27 p.m.
we :🆙:
daniel
daniel 2025-02-01 01:58 p.m.
@Richo

@daniel If you could ping Richo and tell him that I came back from Guantanamo Bay and still intend to serve as counsel for the case that would be nice
And let him know that I have a 3 day timeout because of shah_khaled
But otherwise we're basically done
daniel
daniel 2025-02-01 02:00 p.m.
from my counsel who mysteriously disappeared—he has mysteriously reappeared it seems.
krabzatonin ᴏᴍkrabzatonin ᴏᴍ used
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clerkFlow Bot2025-02-01 10:31 p.m.
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vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-02-01 10:39 p.m.
Hello I've served my brief stint inside the gulag. When can we expect the ruling to be finalized @Richo
vloqsoulsvloqsouls
Hello I've served my brief stint inside the gulag. When can we expect the ruling to be finalized @Richo
Arthur
Arthur 2025-02-03 05:36 p.m.
In 30 working days.
Arthur
Arthur 2025-02-03 05:36 p.m.
Excluding weekends.
ArthurArthur
In 30 working days.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-02-05 10:01 p.m.
我们中华民族有同敌人战斗到最后一滴血的精神,有依靠自己的力量收复失地的决心,有自立于世界民族之林的能力。
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-02-05 10:02 p.m.
vloqsouls
vloqsouls 2025-02-05 10:05 p.m.
shahshah used
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